Good points Patrick. I am in agreement.
Regards
On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 15:07 Patrick A. M. Maina via kictanet <
[email protected] wrote:
> Washington,
>
> 1. At the end of the day, we are debating a *1 year* *investment *of *$2*
> (i.e. *~$0.003 or 0.30 Kenyan cents a day*) in the hope of making
> sufficient return, over a 12 month period, that allows someone to save $20
> for transfer/renewal.. 🙂
>
> 2. We haven’t even touched on hosting and development – so I doubt the *target
> marke*t is the $1 a day demographic. Should the providers target
> everyone? Why?
>
> 3. Even if those domains are given away *100% free* (say for 3 years)
> including 100% free hosting, only rare outliers in the $1 a day demographic
> will be able to leverage that opportunity because;
>
> a. they still need *a product *or *service *that has market-fit and
> can be sold online; how will they fund this?
> b. they need to have *order processing *capabilities (e.g. sorting &
> handling);
> c. they need *technical skills *(or hire some gig workers or
> volunteers) to be able to troubleshoot their site;
> d. *airtime *to provide customer service / check orders.
> e. they need *marketing *savvy for ecommerce (or hire for gaps)
> f. They also need to know how to manage their *business *and *cash
> flow* (or hire for gaps).
> g. they would need to access *low crime locations *to set up
> collection points
> h. and they till need to navigate the government harassment engines
> e.g. *Kanjo *(which disproportionately targets and extorts them)
>
> [digressing heavily…]
>
> I think the NGO industry has created a lot of confusion around the $1/day
> demographic.
>
> This demographic is literally *trapped in poverty* because massive *structural
> *(and *societal*) odds are stacked up against them.
>
> From what I have learned, I would argue that the best way to create
> *sustainable* wealth for the $1/d demographic – with the main goal of
> moving them higher up the pyramid – is for *Government *to design and
> invest in *functional startup ecosystems* (in multiple sectors) whose
> main objective would be to *rapidly generate a* *large number* of *indigenous
> *market-relevant *companies*.
>
> Only Government (via *National Champion policies*) can fix extreme
> poverty (and associated challenges) – not NGOs, who often will have
> unspoken conflicts of interest. The ecosystem would be designed to bring *economies
> of scale* to *small business models* by creating smart production *dependencies
> *(similar to the *Shenzhen ecosystem* in China where you can have one
> company only focused on manufacturing screws for mobile phones, another for
> covers etc).
>
> It is these diverse companies that would hire workers / apprentices from
> financially disadvantaged groups, train them on the job and pay them
> fairly. As these workers *up-skill* over time, the best of them would be
> encouraged to spawn their own companies and plug into the ecosystem to fill
> in gaps or maximize economies.
>
> –> Incubate –> Grow –> Spawn –> Repeat
>
> The *current *”*impact startups*” scene is *fundamentally broken *- it
> just can’t scale because the investors went and copied a broken and failed *NGO
> model* to come up with a rehash of dependency architectures *which only
> entrench poverty* over the long term!
>
> Brgds,
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 6, 2019, 2:30:24 PM GMT+3, Odhiambo Washington <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Patrick,
>
> The issue was actually about the transparency on the cost of renewal,
> nothing about how little the cost is compared to c0ffee .
> Remember that in KE, there are people who live below $1/day so $2-3 is
> such a significant amount, no? 🙂
>
>
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 at 13:38, Patrick A. M. Maina via kictanet <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> Listers, a quick google-search shows that .africa renewal is unlikely to
> exceed current market price of ~$20 (and could go lower depending on market
> forces).
>
> So the deals being offered are reasonable and *win-win* if you plan to
> use your site for commercial gain as you have a whole year to try out and
> develop your business idea.
>
> For perspective, $2-3 is the price of one/two cup(s) of coffee at your
> favorite Wi-Fi lounge. You can always switch registrars – or abandon the
> domain when renewal falls due, if things don’t work out.
>
> There are other considerations of course (which are usual and normal) such
> as registrar credibility and/or jurisdiction issues in case of trademark or
> other disputes. To mitigate those risks, and to promote our local tech
> industry, I would recommend .africa registrars whose servers are based in
> Kenya.
>
> Good day.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 6, 2019, 1:08:21 PM GMT+3, Barrack Otieno via
> kictanet <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Ali,
>
> This information is very clear. It is the responsibility of Registrars to
> inform and educate the Registrants on the same. Mark Elkins has done that
> in this thread. That said no excuses, this domain is going for the price of
> a loaf of bread it cant get any cheaper, people should just buy , we can
> discuss renewal fees in 11 months time.
>
> Regards
>
> Regards
>
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 04:35 Harry Delano via kictanet <
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> That’s indeed…!
>
> Harry
>
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019, 18:10 Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> I should have done it before letting the cat out of the bag! 🙂
>
>
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 17:36, Mark Elkins via kictanet <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> Good Try. Although at Registration one can technically purchase up to 10
> (not 15) years for a brand new domain – the offer is as I understand it
> only for the first year.
>
> To be honest – I’ve no idea if it would work (whether its been programmed
> properly) at the Registry or any ICANN Registrars. I have just “corrected”
> my code so if a domain is on sale – you can only buy one year. Thanks for
> that evil heads-up!
> On 2019/02/05 15:37, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet wrote:
>
> Can I register, say, odhiambo.africa for 15 years using the offer? I need
> to renew after 15 years only 🙂
>
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 16:31, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> Indeed Mark.
>
> Regards
>
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 11:30 Mark Elkins via kictanet <
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> Just to confirm, in South Africa, on my VWEB.co.za portal – I am
> currently charging R40.00 (thats under US$3.00) for an “Africa” domain
> registration to the man in the street – that’s half the price of a CO.ZA.
> Only until the end of March and only for new domains.
>
> The ZACR really is promoting the AFRICA space very well.
> On 2019/02/05 12:44, Barrack Otieno via kictanet wrote:
>
> Listers,
>
> There is an offer for .Africa Domains for Kes 200. This is your chance to
> take your business beyond the borders. Kindly note that the renewal fee
> will be different.
>
> Regards
>
> ———- Forwarded message ———
> From: *Afriregister Kenya* <[email protected]>
> Date: Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 4:07 PM
> Subject: Promotion for registration of .africa at 200 KES
> To: <[email protected]>
>
>
> <afriregister.co.ke>
>
> Dear Client,
>
> I hope this email finds you well.
> We would like to inform you that from February 1st to March 31, 2019,
> there is a promotion for .africa registration. The price is 200 KES / year
> for each registration. Please note that the promotion is only for
> registrations and not renewals and that it is a registration for one year.
>
> Link: afriregister.co.ke/
>
> Thank You
> Best regards
> Afriregister Kenya
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